Why R was sulking with me the other day is as follows.
R - My ex-girlfriend called me last night at 11 pm we spoke for over an hour
Me - (ignoring him by doing work on my laptop)
R - She asked me for my advice about her career
Me - *indistinct sound of disinterest*
R - She wanted to know what was better - to study for three years to become a midwife or to buy a certificate with a MoH signature for $3000. She thought it seemed a lot of study when you can just buy the certificate now & she does have the money.
Me - (Now interested) So what did you tell her?
R - I said if she could afford the certificate then she could buy it but to work as a midwife it was probably better to study.
Me - WHAT?????!!!!!!!
R - Well she is rich so she can afford it, why not?
Me - Does she plan to work as a midwife?
R - Yes!
Me - Then it is morally wrong & dangerous for her to buy a certificate without doing any study or supervised practice. I thought you said that your ex-girlfriend was intelligent & good. Even considering to buy a professional certificate is stupid & morally bankrupt.
R - (defensively) Well she has the money to buy it - she is rich, she can't be stupid!
Me - (really angry now) No - she is the same as most Cambodian health workers I know - as long as she can earn money she doesn't care if people die. After all with midwifery its not just one life is it? - its the mother & the unborn babies life. Why would any one need training to do that. If thats the attitude of 'midwives' here then I think I would rather go to a TBA!
R - Whats wrong with just looking after yourself & making money? Thats what everyone else does &....
Me - (cutting him off - 9/10 on the VAS for anger) AND LOOK AT THE BLOODY STATE OF YOUR COUNTRY WITH THAT ATTITUDE PERVADING!!!!!!
R - You do not understand Cambodia.
Me - How could you tell her it was OK to buy a false certificate? How could you as a nurse think that this was morally right?
R - Its not the people who buy the certificates that are wrong it is the people who are selling them & making the money - I was surprised to hear that they did this
Me - (Off the scale now) THEY ARE BOTH MORALLY WRONG. How can you be surprised about this? It is you that doesn't know about Cambodia if you think that buying a false qualification is surprising.
R - (Adamant & Angry too) The buyer is NOT wrong, it is the seller who is wrong - look at our government, they are responsible, they are to blame. Do you blame a drug addict or the drug dealer?
Me - (trying to hold my shit together) I appreciate that you have poor governance here but just because a government is corrupt or undemocratic it does not absolve the people of individual responsibility. We are all responsible for doing the wrong or right thing. And buying, as well as selling, a certificate to be a midwife with no training is morally wrong - it is dangerous & will result in the deaths of babies & their mothers. This is not about drug addicts!
R - SHE IS NOT TO BLAME, SHE IS NOT STUPID, SHE IS RICH!
Me - (realising that we may be on parallel agendas) I am not sure what dysfunctional thinking has resulted in you believing that rich people are all good & intelligent and that people are not responsible for their own actions, decisions & the consequences but it is all pretty fucked up.
R - You don't understand Cambodia
Me - I will never understand Cambodia but as long as you & everyone believes this shit, people will continue to die & nothing will ever improve in health - I WANT TO GO HOME (tearful)
Verbose MA who poisons children with Atropine enters asking to talk about the the CCR case.......
R - My ex-girlfriend called me last night at 11 pm we spoke for over an hour
Me - (ignoring him by doing work on my laptop)
R - She asked me for my advice about her career
Me - *indistinct sound of disinterest*
R - She wanted to know what was better - to study for three years to become a midwife or to buy a certificate with a MoH signature for $3000. She thought it seemed a lot of study when you can just buy the certificate now & she does have the money.
Me - (Now interested) So what did you tell her?
R - I said if she could afford the certificate then she could buy it but to work as a midwife it was probably better to study.
Me - WHAT?????!!!!!!!
R - Well she is rich so she can afford it, why not?
Me - Does she plan to work as a midwife?
R - Yes!
Me - Then it is morally wrong & dangerous for her to buy a certificate without doing any study or supervised practice. I thought you said that your ex-girlfriend was intelligent & good. Even considering to buy a professional certificate is stupid & morally bankrupt.
R - (defensively) Well she has the money to buy it - she is rich, she can't be stupid!
Me - (really angry now) No - she is the same as most Cambodian health workers I know - as long as she can earn money she doesn't care if people die. After all with midwifery its not just one life is it? - its the mother & the unborn babies life. Why would any one need training to do that. If thats the attitude of 'midwives' here then I think I would rather go to a TBA!
R - Whats wrong with just looking after yourself & making money? Thats what everyone else does &....
Me - (cutting him off - 9/10 on the VAS for anger) AND LOOK AT THE BLOODY STATE OF YOUR COUNTRY WITH THAT ATTITUDE PERVADING!!!!!!
R - You do not understand Cambodia.
Me - How could you tell her it was OK to buy a false certificate? How could you as a nurse think that this was morally right?
R - Its not the people who buy the certificates that are wrong it is the people who are selling them & making the money - I was surprised to hear that they did this
Me - (Off the scale now) THEY ARE BOTH MORALLY WRONG. How can you be surprised about this? It is you that doesn't know about Cambodia if you think that buying a false qualification is surprising.
R - (Adamant & Angry too) The buyer is NOT wrong, it is the seller who is wrong - look at our government, they are responsible, they are to blame. Do you blame a drug addict or the drug dealer?
Me - (trying to hold my shit together) I appreciate that you have poor governance here but just because a government is corrupt or undemocratic it does not absolve the people of individual responsibility. We are all responsible for doing the wrong or right thing. And buying, as well as selling, a certificate to be a midwife with no training is morally wrong - it is dangerous & will result in the deaths of babies & their mothers. This is not about drug addicts!
R - SHE IS NOT TO BLAME, SHE IS NOT STUPID, SHE IS RICH!
Me - (realising that we may be on parallel agendas) I am not sure what dysfunctional thinking has resulted in you believing that rich people are all good & intelligent and that people are not responsible for their own actions, decisions & the consequences but it is all pretty fucked up.
R - You don't understand Cambodia
Me - I will never understand Cambodia but as long as you & everyone believes this shit, people will continue to die & nothing will ever improve in health - I WANT TO GO HOME (tearful)
Verbose MA who poisons children with Atropine enters asking to talk about the the CCR case.......
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